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Postby fireatheart » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:43 am

Because he got paid? :D

Hm, seriously, since nobody managed togive you an answer, I'm wondering: which Williams recordings did George Korngold produce?
I'm thinking: maybe he produced them before he became aware that Williams was lifting his father.

As for me, if I hadn't been told about of the King's Row/Star Wars similarity, I might not have noticed... I hadn't the first times I heard it.
And I've never spotted any other clear Korngold/Williams swiping, and I've listened to both thoroughly.
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Postby brendan g carroll » Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:31 pm

Right, first of all - I did not reply to this because I could not see the point but as you have a bee in your bonnet about it, Fireheart, I will comment:

My dear friend George Korngold produced several albums of Mr Williams' music (EMPIRE STRIKES BACK with Gerhardt on Chalfont, CLOSE ENCOUNTERS & STAR WARS again with Gerhardt in the Classic Film Scores series for RCA) and did so because he was a devoted promoter of good film music.

The deterioration of the genre in the 70s & 80s when (as he once told me) so much so called film music sounded like someone had just left the radio on in the background, depressed him and he was only too happy to encourage John W, who, at the very least, was composing real music and using a large symphony orchestra, not just relying on rehashed pop songs or a relentless heavy rock music track.

If JW 'borrowed' from his father, he never complained and actually took it as a compliment. In any case. JW has freely admitted that Korngold was a huge influence on him.

I am not going to give a written tutorial here on how, why and where JW borrows from EWK. It is a totally dead-end discussion.

This board is for talking about Korngold, not John Williams.

So I do hope that satisfies everyone on this topic and stop people wondering if George K would be so petulant and small minded as to refuse to record another composer just because he had borrowed some ideas from his father or copied his methods.

If that were true, he would never have produced such fine albums by Steiner, Waxman or Newman either - all of whom borrowed from Erich Wolfgang Korngold, as all film music historians now recognise.

And yes, he got paid Fireheart...and thank God he did, for, thanks to his efforts, he was almost single-handedly responsible for the modern interest in film music and the proliferation of fine recordings. Without him, it would never have been.
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Postby fireatheart » Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:02 pm

My, my, I almost missed you, Mr.Carroll.

I must say, I don't remember having ever encountered anybody who seems so devoid of a sense of humour...

( Just to make it clear: "Because he got paid?" followed by :lol: = joke! Get it? No? Even if this followed by: " Seriously..." Still dont get the hint?
No? Ah well... :( )


Do you ever loosen your tie, and kick back, Mr Carroll?

And, most of all: could you please refrain from addressing me almost every single time with what seems like an insult or an agression?

I say "seem" because I really don't know what a "bee in my bonnet" means. Does it mean I'm a little dum, that I have issues, that I'm mean? Frankly, I don't know. (wikipedia refered me to Beekeeping
Relevance: 100.0% - - !!! :lol: )

(By the way, I asked the Administrator to take me off as moderator, because I'm sick of the responsability, and I really don't enjoy comming here anymore, I prefer going on forums where I can have nice, sensible exchanges. Problem is: he refused. Can't YOU ask him to get me off? Please, Mr Carroll, do this for me.)

Other than that, it's too bad, because you obviously are very knowledgeable and the authoriy on the subject.

Just not very nice.
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Postby brendan g carroll » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:59 pm

Am afraid I cannot get you "removed" as a moderator, Fireheart.

I have no power or authority over this website whatsoever, that is the owner's prerogative.

I am merely an occasional contributor to these boards and provide information where it is needed.

If you don't like criticism, don't set yourself up for it.
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Postby Michael Schlechtriem » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:46 am

I do not understand.
Brendan has given a very good and understandable answer to the question.
I did not find anything agressive or any insult in it.
Just a very well and profound answer I would have written myself in the same way for a question like this.
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Postby fireatheart » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:14 am

brendan g carroll wrote:If you don't like criticism, don't set yourself up for it.


Meaning... what?

And, maybe there was a misunderstanding, but what was the "bee in the bonnet" thing?

To me, bonnet is "head" and "bee" is an insect: ergo, I have an insect in the brain!

Insult or not? I set myself up for this?
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Postby fireatheart » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:54 am

Wait! Wait! I got it!

"Bee" is a play on words!!! It's so obvious! I'm so daft sometimes...

"Bee" is a play on the insect and the letter "B", which stands... for you, Brendan.

I've got you messing around with me whenever I come here!

I do have an insect in the brain after all! :lol:

Do I get a point, or... did I just set myself up for something? :wink:

(Now will you please use your visitor privileges, and get me off this site? )
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Postby brendan g carroll » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:23 am

You know...this is all very silly. I am a very nice guy. Ask anyone!

'Bee in the bonnet' is an old fashioned English phrase [because I am a very old fashioned Englishman] that simply means one is concerned about a matter.

Nothing whatever to do with insects, bonnets or brains. OK?

Just forget the whole damn thing.
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